8-4 PO

[rhpharr]

With R1, batter hits fly to shallow CF. R1 hesitates waiting to see if the fly will be caught. Fly is dropped but quickly picked up and thrown to 2nd for an 8-4 put out.

If this is scored 8-4 for the batter, they do not get a hit.

If this is scored 1B for the batter then tapping on 2nd and marking that runner out 8-4, the screen appears to show the runner reached 2nd and was caught between 2nd and 3rd.

How should I be scoring this on the iPhone?

[petrodude]

I use the PC version so I don't know the exact way to score this on the iPhone, but this would be a Fielder's Choice.

[mcross]

It seems the play should reflect an error on the center fielder for dropping the ball, the batter does not get credit for a hit, and the base runner is out through an 8-4 put out.

So the batting and fielding stats will be accurate, I would score the play in this manner:
Step 1: Press - Misc/E: Reach Base on Error (This advances the batter to 1B and R1 to 2B)
Step 2: Press 8 (This assigns the Center Fielder to the error, and E8 appears on the 1st base line path of the batter)
Step 3: Press the base at 2nd to switch to the R1 details
Step 4: Press the base at 2nd again to remove the runner advancement to 2nd
Step 5: Press the Out (the runner will show a partial line and will display the Out Details box.)
Step 6: Enter 8-4 to record the put out

While a lot of steps, the statistics will reflect:
1. An Error for the Center Fielder,
2. The batter does not get credit for a hit,
3. Does not advance R1 to the next base,
4. The Center Fielder gets credit for a defensive assist,
5. The Second Baseman gets credit for a defensive out, and
6. The out is recorded.

[Stephen Rakonza]

Your steps will work, but there is an easier way to score this:

1: Press "FC", runner at 1st Putout "8-4"
This will advance the runner from 2nd to 3rd
2: Press the "FC" text next to the line from home to 1st base
3: Change the "FC" to "E8"

[seanf]

There should be no error on this play, because the out was made. This situation, exactly as described in the OP, occurred in a MLB game earlier this season. It was a Twins game, but I don't remember who they were playing.

The batter reaches on a fielder's choice (no hit), with the runner out at second 8-4. It's scored exactly as would have been a ground ball to short, except for the "8" instead of a "6."

[Stephen Rakonza]

There is some debate around this. I used to score it as seanf says. However, the rule states (and I'm not going to look it up to copy and paste here), that an error should be charged any time a player's time at bat, or time on base, is extended because of a misplay. In the case sited here, the batter's time on base is exchanged for the runner's time on base; but it is not a zero sum rule. The batter's time on base is extended because of the misplay - therefore it is an error.

[seanf]

Jun 2, 2010 17:23:39 GMT -5 Stephen Rakonza said:

However, the rule states (and I'm not going to look it up to copy and paste here), that an error should be charged any time a player's time at bat, or time on base, is extended because of a misplay.

There's two main parts to the rule on errors. Basically, the first part lists situations in which you do charge an error, and the second part lists situations in which you don't charge an error. You're absolutely right about what the first part says. But the second part specifically says that an error should not be charged if the fielder who misplayed the ball is still able to get a force out.

(BTW, I didn't realize this thread was already two months old when I made my post. I probably should've just let it go, but - having actually seen the situation just recently, I had to post. )

[whacstats]

Here are the particulars, from OBR scoring rule 10.12 (d)(4):

(4) any fielder when, after fumbling a ground ball or dropping a batted ball that is in flight or a thrown ball, the fielder recovers the ball in time to force out a runner at any base; ...


Yes, I'm rather late to the party as well, but I just found the board..